Thursday, September 17, 2026

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JM Talboo is a former editor for The Sovereign Independent newspaper, but left due to what he felt was disinformation not being properly vetted. That said, even SNOPES has been forced to do damage control because the publication eerily predicted that Bill Gates would be a major player in a vaccine push that would involve vaccine mandates

This speaks to a point that Talboo often makes, which is that there is an intellectual case for a conspiracist worldview based upon historical facts and admitted false flags and criminal conspiracies. In other words, that conspiracy is the MO of many of those in positions of power, the norm rather than an aberration. After all, it is well established that psychopaths and sociopaths gravitate towards positions of power...


How to stop psychopaths and narcissists from winning positions of power

Dirty Tricks, Traffic Studies, And Why Sociopaths Flourish In Politics

In 2008 Talboo interviewed Presidential Candidate Orion Karl Daley and in both the interview and personal conversations discussed the 9/11 truther movement. Daley featured Talboo in a book he authored about his presidential platform that is cataloged in the Library of Congress.

Talboo is the creator and administrator of the website Debunking the Debunkers located at 911debunkers.blogspot.com where he and various contributors from a handful of countries have debunked the so-called “debunkers” of the 9/11 truth movement since 2008. Since that time, the site has amassed unique hits to the tune of what will be, before too long, many millions of clicks and is going forward with new posts for the foreseeable future.

Issues directly related to 9/11 is still a mainstay, but ancillary issues in recent years receive more coverage as well. This includes topics such as conspiracism in general, as well as exposing Government and Big Tech corruption, coverups, and censorship, to name a few.

The logical fallacies of the self proclaimed skeptical community, the site contends is the more aptly dubbed pseudo-skeptic community, as it pertains to any controversial matter has been and increasingly continues to be a point of focus. 


The blog's central message has also been featured in pieces penned by site contributors for outlets including, a handful of articles written for AE911Truth, ScientificMethod911911truth.org, ANETA911.wordpress.com CitizenFor911Truth.wordpress.com, and others including the now defunct 911Grasssroots.org and an article picked up by Infowars.com. The 911Debunkers blog is also featured on 911research.wtc7.net, DebunkingSkeptics.com, and Actors and Artists for 9/11 Truth, among others. 


JM Talboo has been a 9/11 activist since since 2004 and his informational flyering efforts, message, blog, and 911truth.org affiliation was featured in The CourierTimes.com Newspaper site and hard copy edition. He was also quoted in an plymouthherald.co.uk regarding demolition squib evidence in the Twin Towers and his ae911truth.org affiliation was mentioned.

The aforementioned 911truth organization website and wider truth movement was ineffectively made light of on, and featured prominently on a South Park character's t-shirt. Talboo was a
 911Truth.org Steering Committee Member as well as a grassroots organizer previously also listed on that site for the state of Indiana before going defunct. He was also a member of the Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth AE911Truth.org video team and authored a handful of articles for the organization, and was a founding member of the now, again defunct, central Indiana chapter of the activist organization We Are Change. Finally, Talboo is featured in the book 20 Years On Collected Essays on Why a New 9/11 Investigation is Still Needed.

Talboo maintains, as some have stated a "prolific" amount of other websites, covering a wide variety of topics including some that focus on all things medical, political, paranormal, cultural, societal, as well as pop culture, the rigged NFL, and... Cats... to name a few. 

JM is a DIY musician, but is also featured in several record label compilations. Having previously worked in several capacities as a medical professional, he's more proud to be formally educated in all things Woo-Woo, having earned a diploma in paranormal studies from Flamel College

He's an accomplished investigator featured in a published hard copy paranormal encyclopedia and was the co-founder of the paranormal investigation team, PROOF Paranormal. P-Positive R-Reality O-Or O-Only F-Figment. The now defunct organization conducted over 100 investigations, hosted tours at the famously ghost infested location known as the Hannah House where it is rumored to have been a stop on the underground railroad, which was a secret group of safe houses which bravely helped enslaved people escape. It is said that slaves died in the Hannah House basement. The house features a secret trick bookshelf that can be turned around revealing a staircase leading to the basement. PROOF Paranormal experienced and documented many supernatural happenings at the Mansion including a self-illuminated orb and many Class-A interactive EVPs, in layman's terms... ghost voices on digital recorders.

Lastly, is the podcast host of the TruthTellersRadio.blogspot.com show. All of his material can be directly or indirectly accessed via the profile links found on posts at any of his sites including his catch all site MindTreasury.blogspot.com

He has faced unfathomable amount of censorship. A few examples are having two TikTok music channels taken down, each with around 6,000 subscribers. My newest music channel that recently got a video  Seven YouTube channels, including one that was monetized and doing well. 

And This...

911debunkers.blogspot.com Censored Via Court Order For Defending Free Speech And Talking About Sandy Hook


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Monday, September 14, 2026

When ‘Crazy’ Conspiracy Theorists Turned Out to Be Right

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The Soundtrack of Revolution: Q50, Tupac, Drill Rap and Following the Breadcrumbs

The Soundtrack of Revolution: Q50, Tupac, Drill Rap and Following the Breadcrumbs

Q50, Tupac and the Question I Asked

By JM Talboo DebunkerBusters.blogspot.com

If you don't know who BloodHound Q50 was, here's the short version.

Q50, whose reported real name was Mikquale Cooper, was a 22-year-old Chicago drill rapper associated with the Bloodhound camp and the wider Chicago drill scene. He was also closely connected to the late Bloodhound Lil Jeff, who was killed in 2024.

On September 13, 2026, Q50 was shot and killed in Chicago's Fuller Park neighborhood.

According to police information reported by multiple outlets, Q50 was sitting inside a vehicle when two vehicles approached and multiple people opened fire. He was struck in the chest and shoulder and pronounced dead at the scene. Police have not announced an arrest or established a motive publicly.

And here's where this gets weird.

September 13 is also the date Tupac Shakur died in 1996.

Thirty years apart.

By itself?

That's a coincidence.

Nothing more.

But there was another piece that caught my attention.

Q50 had recently discussed Tupac in an interview with Vlad.

And Vlad—not Q50—was the one who brought up Tupac's repeated references to death.

That does not mean Q50 predicted his own death.

It does not mean he knew he was going to die.

It does not mean somebody told him he was going to die.

It does not mean an intelligence agency had anything whatsoever to do with his death.

But considering what happened afterward, the timing is undeniably eerie.

Then there's another detail.

Q50 had previously posted lyrics from Tupac's “Last MFer Breathin'”:

“Woke up with 50 enemies plottin' my death / All 50 seeing visions of me shot in the chest”

Then Q50 was shot and killed.

Again, that doesn't prove foreknowledge.

It doesn't prove a conspiracy.

It doesn't prove an intelligence operation.

It doesn't even prove that the lyric had anything whatsoever to do with what eventually happened.

But it's a breadcrumb.

And I made a comment about it.

The question I raised was essentially this:

Does the intelligence apparatus ever provide information about people's locations when somebody wants them gone?

I also made it clear that I could simply be tripping.

Maybe these are just bizarre coincidences.

That's entirely possible.

And that's actually why I'm writing this.

Because I've been down this particular rabbit hole before.

And when something like this happens, I don't think the correct response is automatically:

“CONSPIRACY! CASE CLOSED!”

But I also don't think the correct response is automatically:

“Nothing to see here. Don't ask questions.”

There is a middle ground.

Investigate.

Follow the breadcrumbs.

And distinguish what we know from what we merely suspect.


Who Q50 Was Matters

Q50 wasn't some random celebrity whose name appeared out of nowhere yesterday.

He came out of the Chicago drill ecosystem, a musical environment that has become internationally influential while also being closely associated with real-world violence, rivalries, death and incarceration.

Q50 was part of a generation of artists whose music frequently blurred the line between describing street violence, celebrating it, documenting it and potentially participating in it.

His connection to Lil Jeff is particularly relevant.

Lil Jeff was killed in 2024.

Q50 survived an earlier reported shooting incident in St. Louis in 2025.

He continued making music.

He continued building his profile.

And now he is dead at 22.

That's tragic regardless of anybody's theories about drill music, gangs, intelligence agencies or anything else.

A young man is dead.

His family is grieving.

His friends are grieving.

And another chapter has been added to the extraordinarily violent history surrounding Chicago drill.

That alone is worth talking about.

But the timing brought another set of questions back to the surface for me.

And those questions go back much further than Q50.


I've Been Asking Questions About Music and Power for a Long Time

Long before the recent questions surrounding Q50, Lil Durk, Tupac, drill music and intelligence agencies, I wrote and recorded a song called:

“The Soundtrack of Revolution.”

The surviving song:

The Soundtrack of Revolution — surviving song/video

I wrote it because I was interested in what happens when revolutionary music becomes commercialized.

What happens when music that once challenged authority becomes an enormous commercial industry?

What happens when rebellion becomes a product?

What happens when an art form capable of inspiring people to question power becomes something that can be packaged, marketed, monetized and sold?

Those questions haven't gone away.

If anything, there is more material available today to examine.

And recent events involving Q50 have given me another reason to revisit them.


I'm Not Saying the CIA Created Drill

Let's get something out of the way immediately.

I'm not claiming that the CIA created drill rap.

I'm not claiming that Q50 was an intelligence asset.

I'm not claiming that Q50 was killed by an intelligence agency.

I'm not claiming that Tupac was definitely an intelligence asset.

I'm not claiming that Lil Durk was targeted because he made positive music.

And I'm not claiming that every violent rapper is some kind of government pawn.

Those would be enormous claims.

They require enormous evidence.

What I'm asking is considerably more modest:

Can powerful institutions influence culture?

The answer to that question is obviously yes.

We don't have to speculate about whether governments understand the power of culture.

They've told us themselves.


Governments Have Used Music as a Tool of Influence

During the Cold War, the United States used musicians and cultural figures as part of international cultural diplomacy.

Jazz musicians traveled internationally as American cultural representatives.

American popular music became an important cultural export.

Eventually hip-hop became part of the same broader cultural-diplomacy apparatus.

The State Department has openly described music diplomacy as a tool of international engagement and has operated programs involving hip-hop artists.

That doesn't prove the government created hip-hop.

It proves something much simpler:

Government institutions understand that music influences people.

And they deliberately use music because of that influence.


The CIA's Cultural Operations Are Not a Theory

Here's where the historical record gets much more interesting.

The Congress for Cultural Freedom was a major Cold War cultural organization that promoted Western intellectual and artistic culture in opposition to Soviet influence.

And this isn't something I have to prove through a random conspiracy website.

The CIA itself has published a historical account of the operation.

CIA historian Michael Warner describes the Congress for Cultural Freedom as one of the agency's major Cold War covert operations. The organization published journals, sponsored conferences and brought together prominent intellectuals and artists.

CIA records explain that the agency helped establish and fund the organization and that the operation continued for years before its CIA sponsorship became publicly known.

That's important.

Because it establishes a historical fact:

The CIA has secretly used cultural and intellectual organizations as instruments of geopolitical influence.

That does not prove that the CIA controls modern rap.

It does not prove that drill was created by intelligence agencies.

But it destroys the argument that covert cultural influence is inherently impossible or unprecedented.

It's documented history.


And Then There's the CIA's Relationship With Journalists

This is another historical breadcrumb worth preserving.

In the 1970s, congressional investigations examined CIA relationships with journalists and news organizations.

Contemporary reporting based on congressional inquiries stated that approximately 40 people working as journalists around the world had been on the CIA payroll, including individuals connected with major news organizations.

The CIA subsequently adopted a 1976 policy prohibiting paid or contractual relationships with accredited U.S. news correspondents, while continuing to accept voluntarily provided information.

Again, this doesn't mean:

“Every journalist is CIA.”

Obviously not.

It means something narrower and historically important:

There were documented relationships between the CIA and members of the media, and Congress investigated them seriously enough that the CIA changed its policy.

That's a fact.

And facts like that matter when we're trying to understand how information environments can be influenced.


JFK: Where the Rabbit Hole Gets Much Deeper

This is one of the reasons I added the JFK material to this article.

The Kennedy assassination isn't simply an internet conspiracy theory that appeared on social media.

The U.S. government itself eventually declassified enormous quantities of records concerning the assassination.

And those records contain material involving intelligence operations, assassination planning, propaganda, covert action, Cuba and relationships with journalists and other institutions.

One of the most famous examples is Operation Northwoods.

Documents concerning the proposal describe plans considered within the U.S. military establishment involving fabricated or staged incidents that could be blamed on Cuba, including proposals involving attacks in Miami and elsewhere.

The important point isn't:

“Operation Northwoods proves the CIA killed Kennedy.”

It doesn't.

The point is:

Senior U.S. officials really did consider extraordinarily deceptive covert-action scenarios.

That's documented.

And that's precisely why historical documents matter more than blanket assumptions about what governments would or wouldn't do.

The JFK files also contain material concerning CIA plans against Fidel Castro and covert operations surrounding Cuba.

Some of those documents are genuinely disturbing.

But once again, we have to separate categories.

A plan is not the same thing as an executed operation.

A proposed operation is not proof that the proposal was carried out.

And evidence that an agency was capable of considering something does not establish that it did something else.

That's the discipline I want to maintain throughout this article.


The “Second Gunman” Question

Some of the material surrounding the JFK files has been presented in sensational terms as evidence of a second gunman.

That's where I want to be especially careful.

The existence of suspicious documents, intelligence contacts, conflicting testimony or assassination plots against Castro does not automatically prove that there was a second shooter in Dealey Plaza.

Likewise, evidence that people inside the government contemplated covert operations does not automatically prove that the Kennedy assassination itself was a government operation.

But the opposite argument is also too simplistic.

You cannot reasonably argue:

“The government would never consider something like that.”

We know that government officials considered things that sound unbelievable today.

The documents demonstrate that.

So the proper response isn't blind belief.

It's investigation.


The JFK Material I Was Already Collecting

I've spent years collecting and writing about these questions.

Some of my older JFK material includes:

“More JFK Files Revelations: CIA Employed 40 Journalists, KGB In Possession of Data Indicating LBJ Killed JFK — LBJ Admin Official: ‘We Can Convince the Public Oswald is the Real Assassin’ — FBI Informant: J.D. Tippit was the REAL Assassin.”

That title contains multiple claims.

Some are allegations.

Some concern statements attributed to historical figures.

Some involve interpretations of intelligence records.

The important thing is to go back to the underlying documentation rather than treating the headline as established fact.

More JFK Files Revelations — 911Debunkers

I also wrote:

It Is NOT a Mystery in a Conspiracy Scenario as to Who Killed JFK, We Know Exactly Who Did It

And:

Truth Teller's Radio Episode 10 — JFK Document Dump

And I wrote a response to the documentary JFK: The Smoking Gun:

Debunking “JFK: The Smoking Gun” — A Response to Questions About the Film

I also wrote:

Proof of JFK Assassination Plot Without Debating a Magic Bullet

Again, the point isn't that every conclusion in those pieces should automatically be accepted.

The point is that these are questions I've been investigating for a long time.


Why JFK Matters to the Q50 Question

You might be wondering:

What the hell does JFK have to do with a Chicago drill rapper?

At first glance, nothing.

But that's not actually the connection I'm making.

I'm not saying Q50's death is somehow the modern equivalent of JFK.

I'm not saying the CIA killed JFK and then moved on to killing rappers.

That's not an argument.

The connection is institutional history.

If we want to understand whether powerful institutions can influence culture, manipulate information, conduct covert operations or conceal relationships, we have to examine historical cases where those things are documented.

JFK gives us one set of records.

The Cold War cultural operations give us another.

The journalist relationships give us another.

And 9/11 provides another enormous body of material.


9/11 and Curt Weldon's Questions

This is where former Congressman Curt Weldon enters the story.

Weldon became one of the most outspoken congressional critics of how the government handled information concerning the September 11 attacks.

His central issue was Able Danger, a Defense Department intelligence program.

Weldon argued that Able Danger had identified Mohamed Atta and other future hijackers before 9/11 and that information was prevented from reaching the FBI or other investigators.

Weldon also argued that the 9/11 Commission failed to adequately investigate the matter.

Those are serious claims.

And they're not something I want to present as established fact without qualification.

Weldon himself has repeatedly made those allegations and has published his account of the controversy.

But the story also has an important counterpoint.

The 9/11 Commission staff members involved disputed the claim that Atta had been identified in the way Weldon and others described.

The Pentagon investigated and reported that it found no documentary evidence supporting the allegation that Able Danger had identified Mohamed Atta as an al-Qaeda operative before the attacks.

So here's the responsible way to present it:

Weldon made the allegation. Other witnesses supported parts of his account. The 9/11 Commission and Pentagon disputed the central claim, and documentary confirmation has remained contested.

That's much more interesting than pretending the controversy doesn't exist.

And it brings us to the second source I wanted to add.

In September 2026, Weldon is again publicly discussing these issues, including his book Able Danger: What the 9/11 Commission Never Told You.

His recent interview with Jimmy Dore revisits his allegations concerning Able Danger, intelligence warnings, the 9/11 Commission and the destruction or disappearance of intelligence data.

Jimmy Dore — “U.S. Officials ‘Planned 9/11 & Terrorists Were on CIA Payroll!’ — Ex-Congressman Curt Weldon”

The title makes claims much stronger than the underlying evidence establishes.

So I would not use the title as proof that U.S. officials planned 9/11.

But I would absolutely use the interview as evidence that a former member of Congress continues to make these allegations and that the Able Danger controversy remains part of the historical debate.

Those are different things.


And Then Something Important Happened in 2026

There's another reason the 9/11 material is especially relevant right now.

As the 25th anniversary approaches, newly declassified CIA documents are providing additional information about what U.S. intelligence knew about Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda before the attacks.

Recent reporting on the documents says they include warnings dating back years before September 2001, including warnings about possible attacks inside the United States and even scenarios involving aircraft.

That doesn't prove that American officials planned the attacks.

It demonstrates something different:

American intelligence agencies had substantial warning information about the threat posed by al-Qaeda, yet the government failed to prevent the attacks.

That's a major historical fact.

And it creates legitimate questions about intelligence failures, interagency communication, institutional responsibility and what decision-makers knew.

Those questions should not automatically be converted into a conclusion that the government orchestrated 9/11.

But neither should they be dismissed simply because some people have proposed more radical explanations.


The Difference Between “Knew” and “Caused”

This distinction is crucial.

An agency can know something without causing it.

An agency can have information without understanding its significance.

An agency can fail to act.

An agency can mishandle information.

An agency can protect sources.

An agency can conceal embarrassing mistakes.

An agency can deliberately conduct an operation.

Those are completely different propositions.

So when I ask whether an intelligence agency could theoretically know where someone was, I'm not saying:

“Therefore the agency killed Q50.”

That's a giant leap.

I'm saying:

Intelligence agencies collect information.

That's their job.

The historical question is how that information is acquired, shared, withheld and sometimes used.


The CIA-and-Drill Theory

This is where people start making much stronger claims.

Comedian Kurt Metzger has publicly discussed a theory that the CIA helped create or influence drill rap.

His appearance on The Danny Brown Show was titled:

“Did The CIA Invent Drill Rap? w/ Kurt Metzger.”

The Danny Brown Show — “Did The CIA Invent Drill Rap? w/ Kurt Metzger”

I'm not presenting Metzger's theory as established fact.

I'm including it because it represents one explicit version of the hypothesis.

The theory goes much further than saying the music industry has economic incentives.

It suggests intelligence interests could potentially cultivate or steer musical trends because of their effects on young people and communities.

That's a serious allegation.

And serious allegations require serious evidence.

But there is another reason I find the theory interesting.

People sometimes hear something like this and immediately translate it into:

“So you're saying every drill rapper is a CIA agent?”

No.

That's not what would have to be true.

If an influence operation existed, the people participating in it wouldn't necessarily have to know about it.

Some could know everything.

Some could know a little.

Some could simply be pursuing money.

Some could be pursuing fame.

Some could be pursuing revenge.

Some could be criminals.

Some could be victims.

Some could be useful to somebody else's agenda without ever knowing it.

And some could simply be artists making music.

That's a hypothetical model, not proof that such a model explains drill music.


Three Different Claims

This distinction is extremely important.

Claim One:

Governments use music for diplomacy and influence.

Documented.

Claim Two:

Intelligence agencies have historically conducted covert cultural influence operations.

Documented.

Claim Three:

The CIA secretly created or controls modern American drill rap.

Not established by the evidence presented here.

Those are three completely different statements.

The first two make the third worth investigating.

They do not prove it.


Ice Cube Asked a Related Question

Ice Cube has publicly questioned relationships between the music business and the prison industry.

In an interview with Bill Maher, Cube discussed what he considered suspicious relationships involving people connected to entertainment and investments associated with prisons.

Whether every specific relationship implied by that discussion is accurate is a separate question.

But the larger economic question is legitimate:

Can different industries have overlapping financial interests in the same social conditions?

Of course they can.

That doesn't prove coordination.

It doesn't prove that anybody deliberately created violent rap to fill prisons.

But it demonstrates another important principle:

Different systems can benefit from the same outcome without necessarily coordinating with one another.

And that idea becomes important later.


The Gangster-Rap Question

There are longstanding claims that conscious and politically outspoken hip-hop was gradually redirected toward more commercially profitable gangster and street-oriented themes.

One account associated with Minister Louis Farrakhan and KAM has argued that conscious rap was deliberately redirected toward gangster imagery and themes that could contribute to destructive behavior and ultimately benefit institutions such as the prison industry.

I'm not presenting that as established history.

It's an allegation and an interpretation.

But there is a much less controversial question underneath it:

Can commercial incentives change culture?

Absolutely.

If one kind of music sells better, receives more radio play, generates more attention and attracts more money, the industry has an incentive to promote it.

That doesn't require the CIA.

It doesn't require a secret society.

It doesn't require everybody to be working together.

It can simply be capitalism.

The more controversial question is whether powerful institutions have sometimes recognized existing cultural trends and deliberately used them.


Tupac Is Where This Gets Personal for Me

I've been investigating Tupac for years.

I even made my own documentary:

“Tupac Is Alive: The Documentary — Best of the Best Evidence.”

Tupac Is Alive: The Documentary — Best of the Best Evidence

I never presented it as absolute proof that Tupac survived.

I presented what I considered the strongest evidence I had at the time and asked people to examine it.

That's still how I approach this subject.

And that's why the Q50/Tupac connection caught my attention.

Tupac died on September 13, 1996.

Q50 died on September 13, 2026.

Exactly thirty years apart.

Again, that doesn't prove anything.

But then we have Q50 discussing Tupac shortly before his death.

We have Q50 posting Tupac lyrics about enemies plotting his death and visions of being shot.

And then Q50 is actually shot and killed.

That's weird.

Maybe it's nothing.

Maybe it's an algorithmic coincidence.

Maybe Q50 simply liked the song.

Maybe the date means nothing.

Maybe we're seeing patterns because human beings are extremely good at finding patterns.

All of those possibilities remain open.

That's exactly why I don't want to tell you what to believe.

I want to show you the breadcrumbs.


Could Someone Know Without Causing It?

This is another distinction people frequently miss.

Suppose someone somehow knew that a person was going to be attacked.

That is different from:

  • predicting the attack;
  • knowing about a plan;
  • providing information;
  • facilitating the plan;
  • financing the plan;
  • ordering the attack;
  • participating in the attack;
  • or personally carrying it out.

Those are completely different propositions.

The same principle applies to intelligence agencies.

An agency knowing something happened doesn't automatically mean it caused it.

An agency possessing information doesn't prove it ordered an event.

An individual government employee knowing something doesn't mean the entire government knew it.

Large institutions are messy.

They contain competing interests, rival agencies, bureaucracies, personal agendas, internal disagreements and people who may know only one tiny piece of a larger situation.

That's why I don't buy the simplistic version where “everyone is in on it.”

Reality is usually more complicated.


The Black Panther Connection

This is where historical context matters.

The Black Panther Party was subjected to extensive government surveillance and infiltration during the COINTELPRO era.

That history is documented.

It doesn't prove Tupac was an intelligence operative.

It doesn't prove that his music was created as an operation.

It establishes something narrower:

American intelligence and law-enforcement agencies have historically considered political and cultural movements important enough to monitor and infiltrate.

I've personally interviewed Larry Pinkney, an original Black Panther member, in an interview covering the Panthers, racism, censorship, mainstream media, UFOs and related subjects.

“JM Talboo & Larry Pinkney Talk Black Panthers, Racism, Trump, Censorship, MSM, UFOS, And More...”

JM Talboo & Larry Pinkney interview

Again, I'm not presenting that interview as evidence that Tupac was part of an intelligence operation.

I'm explaining why these intersections have interested me for a long time.


The Body-Double Theory

There's another documentary that takes the Tupac question considerably further:

“2PAC — Body Double - Chapter 17 - DOCUMENTARY (censored)”

2PAC — Body Double — Chapter 17

Some of the material in that documentary is highly speculative.

Some claims should be treated extremely cautiously.

I don't accept all of the ideological material surrounding it.

But underneath all of that is a legitimate broader question:

Can powerful institutions cultivate, manipulate, promote or exploit popular cultural figures?

History tells us that cultural influence operations have existed.

That doesn't prove the documentary's specific claims about Tupac.

It simply means the broader question is not inherently impossible.


Lil Durk and the Other Side of the Equation

Lil Durk is another interesting piece of this puzzle.

Durk won a Grammy with J. Cole for “All My Life” in 2024.

That song represented a very different side of his public musical identity from the violent street persona that became central to much of the discussion surrounding him.

Then came the federal murder-for-hire prosecution.

On September 11, 2026, a federal jury acquitted Durk of the murder-for-hire charges. Reuters reported that he remained in custody while facing a separate federal racketeering and weapons case.

That acquittal doesn't mean the government had no evidence.

It means the jury did not find that the prosecution had proved the charged offenses beyond a reasonable doubt.

That's important.

But the broader question I'm interested in is this:

What happens when an artist's public identity exists somewhere between socially destructive street imagery and positive or socially conscious material?

Does controversy sell?

Does violent imagery attract attention?

Does the industry reward certain personas?

Are artists sometimes encouraged toward identities because those identities are commercially profitable?

Those questions don't require a CIA conspiracy.

But if we're investigating institutional influence, they are relevant.


You Don't Have to Create Something to Exploit It

This may actually be the most important point in the entire article.

Suppose violent drill music developed completely organically.

Suppose there was never a government program behind it.

Suppose there was never an intelligence officer who thought:

“Let's invent drill.”

That still wouldn't mean powerful institutions couldn't eventually recognize the phenomenon and figure out how to use it.

You don't have to create something to exploit it.

You don't even necessarily have to coordinate it.

If something already exists, powerful people can learn how to benefit from it.

That's true of markets.

That's true of politics.

That's true of media.

That's true of culture.

And that's true of information.


ZunZuneo Shows That Information Environments Can Matter

Then we have ZunZuneo.

This isn't a theory about a secret rap operation.

It's a documented USAID program involving Cuba.

A USAID Inspector General report examined the program's design, approval and implementation.

The broader controversy involved the use of a communications network and questions about whether such a platform could potentially facilitate political mobilization.

Whatever interpretation somebody ultimately places on ZunZuneo, the historical point is straightforward:

The U.S. government has used communications technology and information networks as instruments in foreign-policy strategies.

That doesn't prove the same thing happened to American rappers.

It establishes something narrower:

Governments understand that information environments matter.


The Information Environment Matters

This is another reason I think people should preserve primary sources.

Search engines change.

Algorithms change.

Platforms disappear.

Videos get removed.

Accounts get deleted.

Websites vanish.

Old articles disappear.

New narratives replace old ones.

Sometimes that's just the normal lifecycle of the internet.

Sometimes moderation is involved.

Sometimes algorithms change.

Sometimes people delete their own material.

And sometimes information really does disappear for reasons we don't understand.

The important thing is not to automatically assume censorship.

The important thing is to preserve what we can and examine original sources whenever possible.


The Q50 Murder Rabbit Hole

There are already internet theories surrounding Q50's death.

One video titled:

“Reddit Just Solved Q50 Murder & Found His Killer.”

Reddit Just Solved Q50 Murder & Found His Killer

collects claims attributed to Reddit users and social-media posts.

Those claims include alleged posts made before the public announcement of Q50's death, references to money, “last MF” language, posts involving Q50 and Lil Jeff, music lyrics interpreted as possible confessions, alleged timestamps, vehicle locations and comparisons involving clothing and physical appearance.

This is precisely where we need to slow down.

A Reddit theory isn't a police report.

A suspicious social-media post isn't automatically a confession.

A timestamp isn't automatically proof of participation.

Similar clothing isn't proof of identity.

Someone deleting an account isn't proof that they committed a murder.

These things can be breadcrumbs.

They can justify looking.

They cannot, by themselves, justify declaring somebody guilty.

I am deliberately not naming alleged killers based on internet speculation.

If the evidence develops, that's a different story.


The “Crates of Guns” Question

There's another rabbit hole I've been researching involving what people describe as “crates of guns.”

I'm not going to pretend I've already established what that material proves.

I have a documentary coming that deals with it.

For now, if you're interested, search YouTube for:

“crates of guns”

Look at the material yourself.

Decide what you think it means.

Again, I'm not telling you:

“Here's the secret proof.”

I'm saying:

Go look.


So What About “They”?

When I use the word “they” in discussions like this, I'm not talking about some magical group of twelve people sitting around a table controlling every event on Earth.

I'm talking about powerful institutions and individuals.

Government agencies.

Intelligence organizations.

Corporations.

Financial interests.

Media organizations.

Political organizations.

Law enforcement.

Entertainment executives.

Investors.

Sometimes their interests align.

Sometimes they fight each other.

Sometimes they have completely different agendas.

Sometimes one faction undermines another.

Sometimes an artist is simply an artist.

Sometimes a criminal is simply a criminal.

Sometimes a coincidence is simply a coincidence.

And sometimes people operating inside a system become useful to a larger process without understanding the process themselves.

That's a much more realistic model of power than one giant omniscient conspiracy.


The Breadcrumbs

So here are the breadcrumbs as I see them.

Governments have deliberately used music as diplomacy.

Jazz became part of American cultural diplomacy.

Rock became a major cultural export.

Hip-hop eventually became part of American cultural diplomacy.

The State Department openly uses hip-hop internationally.

The CIA has a documented history of covert cultural influence during the Cold War.

CIA relationships with journalists were investigated by Congress, and the agency subsequently adopted restrictions concerning paid relationships with U.S. journalists.

JFK-era documents demonstrate that U.S. officials contemplated deceptive covert-action scenarios, including proposals concerning Cuba and fabricated incidents.

The JFK files contain extensive material about intelligence operations surrounding Cuba and the assassination investigation.

Former Congressman Curt Weldon has alleged that the Able Danger program identified Mohamed Atta and other future hijackers before 9/11.

The 9/11 Commission and Pentagon disputed the central Able Danger allegations, and documentary confirmation remains contested.

Newly declassified CIA documents show that U.S. intelligence possessed substantial warnings concerning al-Qaeda before 9/11, although those documents do not establish that U.S. officials planned the attacks.

The music industry has enormous economic incentives that influence what gets promoted.

Artists such as Ice Cube have publicly questioned relationships between entertainment and other industries.

There are longstanding claims that conscious rap was commercially redirected toward gangster imagery.

There are modern theories that intelligence agencies influenced drill.

There are explicit claims that hip-hop was used as an intelligence psy-op.

There are competing theories surrounding Tupac.

Q50 died on the same calendar date as Tupac.

Q50 had recently discussed Tupac.

Q50 had posted Tupac lyrics about enemies plotting his death and visions of being shot.

And Q50 was subsequently shot and killed.

There are internet theories surrounding the circumstances of Q50's death.

And there are continuing questions about how law enforcement, prosecutors, media organizations, labels, corporations and artists interact.

None of those individual breadcrumbs proves the entire theory.

But they do lead to a reasonable question:

How much influence does power actually have over popular culture?


My Old Song Was Asking the Same Question

And this brings me back to “The Soundtrack of Revolution.”

I wrote that song before Q50 existed as part of this conversation.

Before the current drill ecosystem.

Before today's social-media environment.

Before many of the recent developments we're discussing.

The song was asking what happens when revolutionary music gets turned into a commercial product.

It talked about rap being turned into advertising.

The boom bap being hijacked.

Clones being created.

Music that could “spark minds” becoming less attractive to people who prefer compliant entertainment.

It also referenced Jadakiss's famous line about George W. Bush and September 11, and the broader tendency for controversial political statements to become entertainment commodities instead of catalysts for political action.

And then there were these lines:

“Obama dropped bombs. Biden approved. Yet peace was the mask the media used. Different faces, same spine. Left or right, just Pepsi and Coke.”

Whether somebody agrees with those lyrics or not, they show what I was thinking about back then.

Not Republicans versus Democrats.

Not left versus right.

The larger relationship between:

culture, politics, money and power.

That's the thread connecting the old song to the questions I'm asking now.


What Am I Actually Claiming?

Not that the CIA invented drill.

Not that Tupac was definitely an intelligence asset.

Not that Q50 was killed by an intelligence agency.

Not that Lil Durk was targeted because he made positive music.

Not that every violent rapper is a pawn.

Not that every government official knows some secret master plan.

Not that every coincidence is evidence.

And not that every theory on the internet deserves equal credibility.

What I'm saying is much simpler.

Powerful institutions influence culture.

Documented.

Governments deliberately use music as diplomacy and soft power.

Documented.

Intelligence agencies have historically conducted covert cultural influence operations.

Documented.

The CIA had relationships with journalists and subsequently adopted restrictions on certain paid relationships with U.S. news correspondents.

Documented.

The U.S. government contemplated deceptive covert-action scenarios during the Cold War.

Documented.

U.S. intelligence possessed significant warnings about al-Qaeda before 9/11.

Documented.

The Able Danger controversy exists, and former Congressman Curt Weldon continues to argue that important intelligence information was suppressed or mishandled.

Documented as an allegation and continuing controversy—not established as fact.

The music industry has enormous economic incentives that shape what gets promoted.

Observable.

The controversial question is how far those mechanisms extend.

Does cultural influence sometimes become deliberate social engineering?

Can intelligence agencies exploit existing musical movements?

Can governments cultivate artists or scenes in particular circumstances?

Can violent cultural trends become useful to powerful institutions even when those institutions didn't create them?

Can individual artists become unwitting participants in systems they don't understand?

Those are questions.

Not conclusions.


The Biggest Mistake Would Be Assuming There Has to Be One Master Plan

I actually think the “master plan” version is the least interesting possibility.

History is usually much messier.

Different agencies compete.

Corporations compete.

Politicians change.

Administrations change.

Executives chase money.

Artists chase fame.

Criminal organizations pursue their own interests.

Intelligence agencies pursue their own objectives.

People make mistakes.

People betray each other.

People don't know everything.

Sometimes independent events accidentally reinforce each other.

A system can produce a particular outcome without every person inside that system consciously intending that outcome.

That's one of the most important things to understand about power:

Coordination isn't always necessary for alignment.


And That's Where I Leave It

I'm not claiming I solved it.

I'm not claiming I know who is pulling every string.

I'm not claiming every theory is true.

I'm not claiming the most dramatic explanation is necessarily the correct one.

I'm saying there are enough documented examples of governments using culture, enough historical examples of intelligence agencies conducting influence operations, enough evidence of intelligence failures and controversies, enough economic incentives inside the music industry, and enough strange individual cases that I don't think the subject should automatically be dismissed as crazy.

At the same time, skepticism has to work in both directions.

If somebody says:

“The CIA created drill.”

Ask for evidence.

If somebody says:

“The CIA could never possibly influence music.”

Ask for evidence.

If somebody says:

“Tupac definitely survived.”

Ask for evidence.

If somebody says:

“Tupac definitely could not have survived.”

Ask for evidence.

If somebody says:

“Q50's death proves an intelligence operation.”

Ask for evidence.

That's how we separate investigation from belief.

A question can be reasonable without its proposed answer being established.

That's the whole point.

I'm not asking you to believe me.

I'm asking you to look.

Follow the breadcrumbs.

And remember:

Facts speak for themselves.

Facts are not proof of every conclusion somebody attaches to them.

And maybe most importantly:

Don't worship the artist. Become one too.

I'm still making conscious, anti-authoritarian hip-hop in 2026.

If you want to hear what that sounds like, I'm @Crashout.Royalty.

#CrashoutAristocrats #SoundtrackOfRevolution #ConsciousHipHop #MusicAndPower #FollowTheBreadcrumbs


Further Reading / Sources

Q50 / Tupac

Q50 — recent reporting on his death and the Fuller Park shooting
The U.S. Sun — BloodHound Q50 killed at 22

Q50 / VladTV interview
VladTV — Q50 interview

Q50 murder theory / Reddit claims
Reddit Just Solved Q50 Murder & Found His Killer

Tupac — “2PAC—Body Double - Chapter 17 - DOCUMENTARY (censored)”
2PAC — Body Double — Chapter 17

John-Michael Talboo — “Tupac Is Alive: The Documentary — Best of the Best Evidence”
Tupac Is Alive documentary

JFK

JFK Files — alleged second-gunman reporting
Daily Star — JFK files / second gunman article

JFK Files — CIA plots against Castro and Miami bombing proposals
CBS Miami — JFK Files / CIA and Miami bombing proposals

JFK documents — proposed bombing scenarios
Paste Magazine — JFK documents and bombing proposals

More JFK Files Revelations — 911Debunkers
More JFK Files Revelations

It Is NOT a Mystery in a Conspiracy Scenario as to Who Killed JFK
911Debunkers — JFK assassination analysis

Truth Teller's Radio — JFK Document Dump
Truth Teller's Radio — JFK Document Dump

Debunking “JFK: The Smoking Gun”
911Debunkers — JFK Smoking Gun response

Proof of JFK Assassination Plot Without Debating a Magic Bullet
911Debunkers — JFK assassination plot analysis

CIA / Cultural Influence

CIA — Origins of the Congress for Cultural Freedom, 1949–50
CIA historical study

CIA — archived version of the Congress for Cultural Freedom study
CIA archive — Congress for Cultural Freedom

CIA — relationships with journalists / 1976 policy
CIA FOIA — 1976 DCI statement on journalists

CIA journalist relationships — congressional-era reporting
CIA FOIA archive — CIA journalists reporting

U.S. Department of State — Music Diplomacy
U.S. State Department — Music Diplomacy

U.S. Department of State — International Hip-Hop Artists program
U.S. State Department — international hip-hop exchange

Council on Foreign Relations — Hip-Hop Diplomacy
Council on Foreign Relations — Hip-Hop Diplomacy

9/11 / Able Danger / Curt Weldon

Curt Weldon — Press Conference on 9/11 Commission and Able Danger
Curt Weldon — Able Danger press conference

Curt Weldon — Statement on Able Danger
Federation of American Scientists — Weldon statement

Washington Post — Sept. 11 Panel Explores Allegations About Atta
Washington Post — Able Danger / Atta allegations

Washington Post — No Evidence of Atta Claims, Pentagon Says
Washington Post — Pentagon investigation of Able Danger claims

Curt Weldon — Able Danger: What the 9/11 Commission Never Told You
Google Books — Able Danger

Jimmy Dore — Curt Weldon interview
Jimmy Dore Show — Curt Weldon / Able Danger interview

USAID Inspector General — Cuban Civil Society Support Program / ZunZuneo
USAID OIG report

Music, Industry and Drill

Kurt Metzger / The Danny Brown Show — “Did The CIA Invent Drill Rap?”
The Danny Brown Show — Kurt Metzger episode

Ice Cube — music and prison-industry discussion
HotNewHipHop — Ice Cube on music and prisons

Ambrosia For Heads — Ice Cube interview
Ambrosia For Heads — Ice Cube and prisons

VladTV — Ice Cube on label owners and prisons
VladTV — Ice Cube interview

USAID & The Rap Game
USAID & The Rap Game — Part 1

“YOU WILL NEVER BE A MAINSTREAM RAPPER”
YouTube search / source video

Lil Durk

Reuters — Lil Durk acquitted in murder-for-hire trial
Reuters — Lil Durk trial

Associated Press — Lil Durk acquittal
Associated Press — Lil Durk acquitted

GRAMMY.com — 2024 winners and nominees
GRAMMY.com — 2024 winners and nominees

John-Michael Talboo — “Beyond ‘Durk Is Cooked’”
Mind Treasury — Lil Durk trial analysis

Personal / Related Sources

JM Talboo & Larry Pinkney — Black Panthers, racism, censorship, media and UFOs
Bitchute — Larry Pinkney interview

The Soundtrack of Revolution — surviving song/video
The Soundtrack of Revolution

Search term for the upcoming “crates of guns” documentary:
Who Drops Crates of Guns In Chiraq?

20 Darth Vader Jokes

20 Darth Vader Jokes


  1. Why doesn't Darth Vader ever use a GPS?
    Because he always feels the Force.

  2. What does Darth Vader say when he needs to pay for something?
    “Put it on my Imperial credit card.”

  3. Why did Darth Vader stop using elevators?
    He preferred the Dark Side of the stairs.

  4. What kind of car does Darth Vader drive?
    A Toyota Corollant.

  5. Why doesn't Darth Vader ever get invited to karaoke?
    Because every song becomes a heavy breathing remix.

  6. What does Darth Vader order at a restaurant?
    The Force-fed chicken.

  7. Why did Darth Vader go to therapy?
    He had some serious father issues.

  8. What's Darth Vader's favorite exercise?
    Dark-side lunges.

  9. Why did Darth Vader fail his driving test?
    He kept using the Force instead of his turn signals.

  10. What does Darth Vader say when someone steals his parking spot?
    “I find your lack of parking etiquette disturbing.”

  11. Why doesn't Darth Vader ever play hide-and-seek?
    Because he can always sense where everybody is.

  12. What's Darth Vader's favorite type of music?
    Heavy breathing metal.

  13. Why did Darth Vader get kicked out of the library?
    He kept using his indoor voice to choke people.

  14. What does Darth Vader put on his pancakes?
    Dark syrup.

  15. Why did Darth Vader become a terrible comedian?
    His delivery was always too Forceful.

  16. What does Darth Vader say when his Wi-Fi goes down?
    “I find your lack of connection disturbing.”

  17. Why doesn't Darth Vader ever need a flashlight?
    He already brings the darkness with him.

  18. What does Darth Vader call his dad on Father's Day?
    “Luke, I am your... son.”

  19. Why did Darth Vader get kicked out of the gym?
    He kept Force-choking people who wouldn't wipe down the machines.

  20. What did Darth Vader say when he finally learned the truth about his family?
    “This is getting awkward.”

Saturday, September 5, 2026

9/11 at 25: The Questions That Still Refuse to Go Away

9/11 at 25: The Questions That Still Refuse to Go Away

By JM Talboo

Twenty-five years after September 11, 2001, Americans have heard the official story of 9/11 many times.

We know that 19 hijackers carried out the attacks and that al-Qaeda was responsible for planning the operation. We know that Osama bin Laden and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed were central figures in the conspiracy. We know that the United States government failed to prevent the attacks despite possessing significant pieces of information about the emerging threat.

But there is another question that has never completely gone away:

How much do we really know about everything that happened before, during, and after September 11?

That question is not the same thing as claiming that every alternative theory is true. It is not even necessarily a claim that the official account is false.

It is a recognition that there are documented discrepancies, unresolved questions, disputed testimony, intelligence failures, and allegations that deserve to be examined on their evidence rather than dismissed simply because they challenge a conventional explanation.

As the 25th anniversary approaches, two recent interviews—one with broadcaster Richard Syrett discussing the late airline captain Philip Marshall, and another with former Congressman Curt Weldon discussing his book Able Danger: What the 9/11 Commission Never Told You—have brought some of those old questions back into the public conversation.

I have spent years examining these issues myself through Debunking the Debunkers. My own position has never been that every alternative explanation surrounding 9/11 has been proven. Rather, I believe the evidence needs to be examined honestly, including evidence that makes us uncomfortable.

And after 25 years, there are still some uncomfortable questions.

The Questions Began Almost Immediately

Richard Syrett recalls beginning to question aspects of the 9/11 story almost immediately after the attacks.

Among the questions that caught his attention were the discovery of a passport reportedly belonging to hijacker Satam al-Suqami, the apparent failures of the air-defense system, intelligence warnings concerning Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar, the identities and capabilities of the hijackers, the collapse of the World Trade Center buildings, and the destruction of World Trade Center Building 7.

Some of those questions have straightforward answers. Others have complicated answers. And some remain matters of genuine disagreement.

The important point is that asking a question is not the same as answering it with a conspiracy theory.

The official investigation itself documented serious intelligence failures.

The 9/11 Commission found that the CIA had identified Khalid al-Mihdhar and had information connecting him to an al-Qaeda gathering in Kuala Lumpur in January 2000. Nawaf al-Hazmi was also associated with that group. The Commission documented failures in passing information between agencies and ultimately described a government that possessed pieces of the puzzle without putting them together in time.

Those failures are not conspiracy theories.

They are part of the historical record.

The San Diego Question

One particularly interesting area involves Hazmi and Mihdhar.

The 9/11 Commission reported that the two arrived in Los Angeles on January 15, 2000, but that investigators could not determine where they went during their first two weeks in the United States.

The Commission considered it unlikely that the two inexperienced men arrived in America without arranging some assistance in advance.

They subsequently encountered Omar al-Bayoumi, who helped them relocate to San Diego, assisted them in obtaining an apartment, and helped them with practical matters.

At the same time, the Commission said it found no evidence that Bayoumi knowingly assisted the terrorists in their planned attacks.

That distinction matters.

There is a documented relationship.

There is documented assistance.

There are also documented gaps in what investigators were able to determine.

But those facts alone do not prove that Bayoumi was knowingly acting as an agent of Saudi intelligence or that the Saudi government participated in the attacks.

That stronger allegation requires additional evidence.

This is exactly where the debate often breaks down. One side sees the documented facts and immediately concludes that the official story must be false. The other sees the lack of conclusive proof for the larger allegation and concludes that there is nothing worth investigating.

Neither approach is particularly useful.

The responsible approach is to examine the evidence and determine exactly what it establishes—and what it does not.

The Hijackers and the Question of Flight Training

Philip Marshall, the former airline captain discussed by Richard Syrett, became particularly interested in the question of how the hijackers acquired the aviation skills necessary to conduct the attacks.

Marshall had extensive experience flying Boeing aircraft, including the 727, 737, 747, 757 and 767.

His argument was not simply that the hijackers had never flown airplanes before. Rather, he questioned whether the training publicly documented in their histories adequately explained what they accomplished on September 11.

There is an important factual foundation for asking that question.

The 9/11 Commission documented that Hazmi and Mihdhar attempted flight training in San Diego. Their progress was poor. They were reportedly interested in learning to fly large Boeing aircraft and were disappointed when instructors explained that they would have to begin with smaller aircraft. Their formal efforts essentially went nowhere.

Hani Hanjour presents a somewhat different case.

He already possessed a commercial pilot certificate, had previous flight experience, and later trained on a Boeing 737 simulator in Arizona. The Commission reported that instructors considered his simulator performance substandard and discouraged him from continuing, although he persisted. The Commission also reported evidence suggesting he obtained additional training later.

Those facts do not establish that there was a secret third stage of flight training.

That was Marshall's theory.

Syrett acknowledges that there is no established evidence proving Marshall's speculation that the hijackers received clandestine hands-on training on Boeing 757 or 767 aircraft at a facility such as Pinal Air Park.

But the underlying question remains legitimate:

Exactly what training did the hijackers receive, from whom, and was everything about that training fully documented?

Those are two different questions.

Where Marshall Went Further

Marshall did not stop with questions about flight training.

He also questioned the Saudi connections, the intelligence failures, the government's handling of evidence, the confessions attributed to Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and the broader official explanation of the attacks.

Some of his conclusions went substantially beyond what the available public evidence establishes.

That distinction should be preserved.

There is nothing wrong with investigating a theory.

There is a problem when a theory is presented as established fact before the evidence has earned that conclusion.

Marshall's death in 2013 introduced another layer of controversy.

According to the official investigation described by Syrett, Marshall killed his two children and dog before taking his own life. Authorities found no evidence of an outside shooter, forced entry, or struggle.

Syrett does not claim to have proven that conclusion false.

Instead, he raises a disturbing possibility: could Marshall have been deliberately silenced and made to appear responsible for the deaths of his children?

That is an extraordinary allegation.

At present, it remains an allegation.

And that distinction is important.

Perhaps even more curious, Syrett says that after Marshall's death he searched his own email account and discovered that roughly 17 months of correspondence with Marshall had disappeared.

Again, that does not prove that intelligence agencies deleted the correspondence.

It does not prove that Marshall was murdered.

It does, however, constitute a factual claim about missing correspondence that can be independently investigated.

That is where evidence-based inquiry should begin.

Curt Weldon and Able Danger

Curt Weldon's allegations are considerably more sweeping.

In his interview with Tucker Carlson, Weldon argues that the Army intelligence program known as Able Danger identified Mohammed Atta and an al-Qaeda cell in the United States before September 11.

Weldon further alleges that attempts were made to transfer information about those individuals to the Justice Department and that those attempts were blocked.

These claims have been disputed for years.

That makes them neither automatically true nor automatically meaningless.

They require examination of the underlying records, testimony, and competing accounts.

Weldon's position goes considerably further than simply alleging an intelligence failure. He says that documents he encountered convinced him that certain individuals within the government actually planned the attacks.

That is an extraordinary claim.

It should therefore be held to an extraordinary evidentiary standard.

There is an enormous difference between saying:

"The government possessed information that it failed to act upon."

and saying:

"Government officials deliberately planned the attacks."

The first proposition has substantial documented material behind it.

The second requires direct evidence demonstrating intentional participation in the attack.

Weldon says such evidence exists.

That is precisely the sort of claim that should be tested against the underlying documents rather than accepted or rejected solely because of who is making it.

The Bigger Problem: False Choices

This is where my own research has led me to a position that I laid out years ago in the permanent post at Debunking the Debunkers.

The 9/11 debate is frequently reduced to a false choice:

Either al-Qaeda did it, or the United States government did it.

Reality does not necessarily have to fit into those two boxes.

It is entirely possible to accept that al-Qaeda operatives carried out the attacks while still investigating whether other people knowingly assisted them, whether intelligence agencies possessed information they failed to act upon, whether foreign intelligence services played some role, or whether individual government officials concealed information afterward.

In fact, the 9/11 Commission itself documented circumstances that demonstrate how complicated the story actually was.

The Commission found that Hazmi and Mihdhar were al-Qaeda operatives. It also found that they received assistance after arriving in the United States, while acknowledging that investigators could not establish the full circumstances surrounding their arrival and early activities.

That is not an "inside job" conclusion.

It is simply a recognition that complicated events can have complicated chains of responsibility.

My permanent post makes essentially this point: rejecting the simplistic black-and-white choice does not require rejecting al-Qaeda's involvement. The possibility of assistance, facilitation, intelligence failures, or other forms of complicity can be investigated independently.

The NORAD Problem

Another issue that has never disappeared from the debate concerns the military response.

My own blog has long highlighted the contradictory accounts surrounding NORAD and the failure to intercept the hijacked aircraft.

This isn't merely a matter of internet speculation.

Former 9/11 Commission chairman Thomas Kean was quoted by The Washington Post in 2006 saying that the information NORAD provided the Commission was "so far from the truth" and describing the matter as a loose end that had never been resolved. The quotation is reproduced in the permanent post at Debunking the Debunkers.

That statement does not prove a deliberate stand-down.

It does demonstrate something much less dramatic—but still important:

There were significant discrepancies between what the military initially said happened and what the 9/11 Commission subsequently determined had happened.

That deserves historical scrutiny.

And it raises a simple question:

If the discrepancies were merely the result of confusion and institutional failure, why did the discrepancies become so substantial?

The answer may ultimately be mundane.

Or it may not be.

But the question should not be prohibited simply because some people dislike where it might lead.

The Physical Evidence

My research at Debunking the Debunkers has also examined the physical evidence surrounding the destruction of the World Trade Center buildings, including Building 7.

This is another area where the discussion often becomes needlessly polarized.

Someone can believe that the official engineering explanations deserve serious consideration while still examining criticisms of those explanations.

Likewise, someone can believe that evidence suggests controlled demolition without pretending that this automatically establishes who planned or carried out such a demolition.

Those are separate questions.

What happened to the buildings?

Why did they collapse the way they did?

What evidence supports competing explanations?

And, if someone concludes that explosives or some other deliberate mechanism were involved:

Who placed them there, when, and why?

A hypothesis about physical destruction does not automatically answer questions about intelligence operations, foreign governments, or the identity of the perpetrators.

Again, the categories need to be separated.

Twenty-Five Years Later

What strikes me most about these two recent interviews is that they come from very different directions.

Richard Syrett's discussion of Philip Marshall is largely about questions: aviation capabilities, training, Saudi connections, intelligence failures, missing correspondence, and the mysterious circumstances surrounding Marshall's death.

Curt Weldon goes much further. He claims that Able Danger uncovered information about the future hijackers and alleges that some government officials went beyond failing to act—they actually planned the attacks.

Those claims should not simply be lumped together.

Marshall's theories were not proven by his death.

Weldon's allegations are not proven merely because he says he possesses documents.

But neither should the existence of unresolved questions be dismissed merely because some proposed answers are controversial.

The official investigation itself documented major intelligence failures.

It documented the presence of Hazmi and Mihdhar in the United States long before September 11.

It documented their attempts to learn to fly.

It documented assistance they received after arriving in California.

It documented the failure of agencies to connect critical pieces of intelligence.

And it documented the extraordinary difficulty investigators faced in reconstructing parts of the story.

Twenty-five years later, we should be capable of acknowledging all of those facts simultaneously.

What Would Actually Settle the Debate?

The answer is not another argument between people who already agree with each other.

It is evidence.

If someone claims there was secret flight training, produce the records.

If someone claims Saudi intelligence knowingly assisted the hijackers, produce the evidence establishing that connection.

If someone claims Able Danger identified Mohammed Atta before September 11, examine the original records, identify what was known, when it was known, and who received the information.

If someone claims officials deliberately planned the attacks, identify those officials and produce the documentary or testimonial evidence demonstrating their participation.

If someone claims the World Trade Center buildings were deliberately demolished, examine the physical evidence and competing engineering analyses.

If someone claims the official explanation is correct, that explanation should likewise be subjected to the same standard.

That is what a genuine investigation looks like.

It doesn't begin by deciding the answer.

It begins by following the evidence.

We Might Be Wrong

There is one sentence from the permanent Debunking the Debunkers post that I think is especially important after 25 years:

"We might be wrong about where we suspect this all leads."

That is not a weakness.

It is intellectual honesty.

If evidence emerges tomorrow showing that one of the theories discussed for the last 25 years is wrong, we should change our minds.

If evidence emerges showing that something previously dismissed actually happened, we should change our minds about that too.

The purpose of investigating 9/11 should not be to defend a preferred conclusion.

It should be to determine what actually happened.

Twenty-five years is long enough to have strong opinions.

It is not long enough to stop asking questions.

The people who died on September 11, 2001 deserve better than slogans.

Their families deserve better than political arguments.

And the public deserves better than being told that difficult questions are themselves evidence of disloyalty.

Perhaps the final answers will ultimately vindicate the conventional account.

Perhaps they will complicate it.

Perhaps some of the alternative theories will prove correct, while others will not.

But after a quarter century, the standard should remain the same:

Follow the evidence wherever it leads—even if it leads somewhere none of us expected.


Sources

Richard Syrett — "9/11 Questions Remain: Missing Emails and Philip Marshall"
Interview/transcript discussing Philip Marshall, hijacker flight training, Saudi connections, intelligence failures, Marshall's death, and missing correspondence.
YouTube interview

Tucker Carlson — "This Video Will Change the Course of the 9/11 Investigation" — Curt Weldon
Interview concerning Able Danger, alleged pre-9/11 intelligence regarding Mohammed Atta and al-Qaeda, and Weldon's broader allegations concerning government involvement.
YouTube interview

JM Talboo & Steve W. — "Permanent Top Post" — Debunking the Debunkers
The author's longstanding framework concerning the black-and-white fallacy, NORAD discrepancies, whistleblowers, physical evidence, and unresolved questions surrounding 9/11.

National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States — The 9/11 Commission Report
Chapters concerning Hazmi, Mihdhar, Bayoumi, Hani Hanjour, flight training, intelligence failures, and the development of the "planes operation."

9/11 Commission Hearing — June 16, 2004
Commission testimony and staff presentation concerning the hijackers' movements, San Diego, Bayoumi, flight training, and Hani Hanjour.

The Washington Post — August 2, 2006
Reporting concerning the 9/11 Commission's concerns about contradictory NORAD information, reproduced and referenced in the permanent Debunking the Debunkers post.